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CrimsonKing
Turkey
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 Posted - 07/21/2010 : 18:09:06
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İlk dinlemede El Dorado' dan daha zayıf bir şarkı olarak buldum Final Frontier' ı ben. Ama ilk izlenimim böyle, umarım değişir.
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ARCOFSPACE
Turkey
518 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 22:27:38
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Aşağıda Satellite 15...The Final Frontier'ın single kapağı var. Ayrıca şarkının başındaki Satellite 15 kısmını Adrian yazmış, bunun Maiden tarafından yapılmış gelmiş geçmiş en deneysel ve acaip müzik olduğu söyleniyor.
http://www.aolradioblog.com/2010/07/19/iron-maiden-satellite-15-the-final-frontier/
Ayrıca Rock Hard dergisinin grupla yaptığı röportajda Adrian ve Bruce, albümün kaydediliş sürecinde Steve'in her detayı kontrol ettiğini, beğenmediği fikirleri çöpe attığını, şarkıları kestiğini ve uzattığını söylemişler. Bunlar bilmediğimiz şeyler değil ama bu şekilde dile getirdiklerine göre Steve Reyis kayıt esnasında elemanlara kan kusturmuş olmalı.
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GlooM
Turkey
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tears_of_sin
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Posted - 07/23/2010 : 10:30:04
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Janjanlı kapak hoşuma gitti gerçeğinde de çevirdikçe oynayan tırtıklı(eskiden sakızlardan çıkardı hey gidi :)kapak yaptılarsa güzel olur.Bir de Is The Final Frontier The Final Chapter? sorusunun cevabı var mı dergide acaba?
www.rockantalya.com |
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Nathan Explosion
Turkey
12695 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2010 : 11:16:08
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en sevdiğim 2 grup bir arada:)
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Virgile
838 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2010 : 11:29:49
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| is the final frontier final chapter? sorusunun cevabı zaten verilmemiş miydi steve tarafından? |
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ARCOFSPACE
Turkey
518 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2010 : 17:46:34
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Bruce Dickinson'ın Rock Hard röportajından bir bölüm:
Rock Hard: When did you find the way to write and record this last album?
Bruce Dickinson: In fact, we composed this record in Paris where we rehearsed there during 3 weeks. This is the lapse of time we needed to write the full album TFF.
Before that, Steve had certainly worked (swoted) one or two days with Adrian, and then with Janick but when we joined all together in paris, we didn't really know what the others had composed. Therefore, we shared our views of the tracks and we worked on these basis.
20 days later, we were holding our album!
I wouldn't say it was easy because this writing session was really intense. But it's true that we had a lot of ideas and no problem of inspiration.
It's hard to put words on melodies but at least we didn't have to confront with the anguish of the white sheet of paper.
Then, we left Paris to the Bahamas, to the Compass Point Studios like in the old good time (Iron Maiden actually recorded albums there like POM 83, Powerslave 84 and SIT 86).
There, we did all the backing tracks in 2 weeks. We went on composing as well. I think, in particular, about a title like "The Alchemist". In Paris, we didn't have the time to work on this track and another song because the last day of the rehearsal Janick cut his hand.
Every day in the Bahamas, I heard them work on demos of the songs and I was looking for words to put on them.
So, I was still writing texts when we started the recording. After 15 days, we had all the backing tracks and my vocals. Therefore, I went back home when the guitarists were doing their overdubs. Finally, I was present during the sound mixing in Los Angeles. I also recorded my last parts of vocals, in a very tiny room. I had just taken a microphone and I was doing my takes with Steve and Kevin Shirley. "What about doing The Talisman today?"
I was singing and one hour later it was okay, we were doing something else.
In the Bahamas, I had recorded 60% of my vocals because a few songs were so complicated, complexed with so many different parts, that it was impossible for me to remember them all in Paris.
Building a track like When The Wild Wind Blows (A Harris song lasting 11 minutes) for example, was like giving birth to a kind of Frankenstein (Bruce laughs). This song was in Steve's mind. So, when we arrived in the Bahamas, he said to us: "This is how you must play or sing this or this part. Trust me, everything will go perfectly in the end." So, we worked step by step, part after part as if we had to deal with a big puzzle. It was pretty difficult for us because part from Steve, we had no idea of the way the result would sound. A big mystery!
For the rest, yes, we worked pretty fastly. After how long did it take to Elvis to make a record? 3 minutes! (Bruce laughs)
It used to work this way before! We know each other so much that we can allowed ourselves this kind of approach.
RH: More Rock'n'Roll?
BD: Yes, I think so. With all the high technology we're using nowadays, Pro-tools, digital recording and all these bullshits, it is pretty easy to sing til getting a good result. If a word or two don't fit into one song, we take the words somewhere else in another part of the track and we do copy/paste to block the holes.
It's convenient but however we prefer giving good performances in studio to avoid to stick patch and it makes a big difference. "The Talisman" for example was 90% recorded in one shot/take. And I like that because it's such a physical track that we have the feeling to be on a Formula One trip.
A few tracks are like "Le grand prix de Monaco" (Formula One competition in Monaco). You always must be careful and watch the change of course.
It's an effort of all instants. But on "The Talisman", you can push the accelerator and appreciate the speed because it's a long straight line which reminds the Suzuka circuit.
RH: This is the fourth time you've been working with the producer Kevin Shirley since you're back in the band in 1999.
Isn't it a way to be in a kind of routine?
BD: In fact, Kevin doesn't have a lot of impact on what we propose in terms of structures, compositions/arrangements, melodies....
When we arrive in the studio, the tracks are, for most of them, already written, ready to be recorded.
Kevin's major role/part is more about sound and especially sound mixing.
I am particularly happy with the sound mixing of this new album, which hasn't always been the case in the past.
To me, TFF is better in terms of sound than AMOLAD.
His 1st song or I should say his intro (Satellite 15..... TFF) is a bit odd I reckon because it comes from an old demo tape of Adrian. A part of this intro has a weakest sound, a lower resolution. But the sound mixing gives a big effect and when the song begins, the produced effect is astonishing!
We realize that the sound of the album is really thick, strong. I love this effect!
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Nathan Explosion
Turkey
12695 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2010 : 18:12:29
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uzun bir hımmmmmmmmmmmmmmm efekti beynimde yankılandı...
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Nathan Explosion
Turkey
12695 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2010 : 14:10:16
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ilk "basılı" kritik classic rock'tan geldi. 9 vermişler ve baya övmüşler.
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ARCOFSPACE
Turkey
518 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2010 : 17:21:03
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Bruce Dickinson, TFF'den canlı olarak çalınmasını istediği şarkılar olarak: Satellite 15, El Dorado, Coming Home, The Talisman, ve When the Wild Wind Blows'u söylemiş.
Bu da Rock Hard'ın Adrian ve Dave ile yaptığı röportajın bir kısmı. Dave'in Steve'in albüm kayıtlarındaki tavrına ilişkin değerlendirmelerine dikkat :)
Rock Hard: We did meet the last time in march 2009. You were still in Brazil for the last tour. Less than a year after, you are beginning a new tour and you're gonna release a new album. When did you manage to find time to write and record this new one (so quickly) ?
Adrian Smith: We spent 3 weeks in Paris in november and December 2009 to write new stuff. We made a pause at Xmas and then, we went to the Compass Point Studios in Bahamas to record the new album with the help of the producer Kevin Shirley. Yes, finally, it was made very quickly but we all get some holidays after the previous tour.
Dave Murray: At the beginning, we appreciate those moments because we can rest and charge our batteries again, far from the road, but after some months, we miss playing guitars. So, we start writing again… Moreover, we went to the Compass Studios, where we recorded several albums in the 80s. We knew the place. The mood during the recording sessions were then very relax (peaceful) and I believe it has never been such easy in studio. Therefore we finished the recording a month earlier than expected. As you could have heard yesterday, this record is very proggy. It contains many informations, it is very deep and cannot be assimilate after one listening.
AS: Even if the first two songs "Satellite 15… The Final Frontier" and "El Dorado" are quite direct, the intro of the first one is unusual and not expected. It comes from one of my demos. I went fishing in rivers to envoy and think of nothing then I composed with a lot of dedication during a whole month in France. This intro that opens the new record was among the huge amount of ideas I recorded. I presented this idea to Steve before Bruce joined us and he was immediately enthusiast because he wanted to write a "space" song. This intro really inspired him. But if I come back to you question : writing and finalizing this new record needed time but we recorded it quickly.
DM: You have to understand that most of this record (about 90%) was written in Paris where we all meet to talk about our own ideas for three weeks. Then, during Xmas resting period, we had time to absorb and digest the new songs. Later, we have finish the writing of 2 or 3 songs in the studios. Normally, we use to act differently by entering the studio just after the rehearsals. I really appreciate this new way and you can feel, by listening at the record, a real energy because we were all fresh and available when we entered the studio. Ready and armed!
RH: Why Paris? To avoid paying taxes? (laughs)
DM: Non, for the wine (laughs)
AS: We already worked here in the past (They have recorded Brave New World in Paris in 1999) and we loved this city. Paris is really beautiful and we enjoy visiting it when we have a day off. It is furthermore a rather central point when we have to meet because we don't all live in England. The only bad souvenir for me is when someone forced the hotel door the first day of the rehearsal to steal personal belongings.
DM: The robber even tried his clothes! (Laughs) This is what we have seen on the hotel' security videos. I also had a nocturne visitor in my room: a mouse which used to hide behind the fridge every evening in search for food to eat! (Laughs)
RH:From the Iron Maiden point of view, does the producer Kevin Shirley is the 2000s' Martin Birch?
DM: Yes, this is a interesting comparison even if Shirley works with analog and digital signals whereas Martin, in the 80s, was only able to work working with analog signals. Kevin also use ProTools to save precious time. He is a modern producer but his roots are definitely linked to old-school production. He is very gift for obtaining the best of us, individually or together. He is also a good advisor. He is a 'button wizard'.
AS: Moreover Steve, as the co-producer, matchs perfectly with Kevin and he fully trusts him.
RH: Adrian, you have taken part in the writing of six songs, one more compared to the previous. In few years, you will finally being able to co-write all the song of an Iron Maiden album ! (Laughs)
AS: No, I don't think so ! (Laugh) But I really love composing music, I think it is what I prefer to do as a musician. I love the idea to paint on a white board, adding several layers of colors to finally create something unique. I write songs like a painter. I really love that! Steve listens all the stuff we have and decides to keep what he likes. Everything should pass thought Steve. Today, he seems to focus on lyrics and melodies. In the 80s, he used to write alone more than half of the songs on our records, from the first to the last note (Laugh). I knew exactly which harmony accent he wanted and we had to play precisely according his wish. He did not really changed, but on The Final Frontier, he only wrote one song alone.
DM: He is finally more relax and open-minded nowadays. I think the liberty we have now can be heard on the albums. Even if he stays an incredible perfectionist, Steve is not in the constant search of the perfect interpretation nowadays and doesn't mind if some interpretations are not precisely correct, something I am very happy because I think our record are less 'clinical', more open (I hope you all understand the idea behind because I am sure it is not correct in English…). In the Final Frontier, we are consequently exploring news musical territories where we never dared to go before. It is really refreshing, like this intro we talked earlier. It will surely surprise many of our fans. And I hope it will please them.
AS: In the past, we were a bit proggy (progressive), especially during the last 10 years. I don't know if that was intentional or not. Only Steve can tell since, as said earlier, he has the last word and chooses the stuff to keep. He certainly has a vision and improves it with Kevin when they are mixing. |
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ARCOFSPACE
Turkey
518 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2010 : 23:28:02
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Röportajın kalan kısmı da şöyle. Adrian dürüstçe Steve ile yaşadıkları fikir ayrılıklarından bahsetmiş. Ama tabi ki kırıp dökmeden.
Dave Murray: Yes, that's definitely Steve that progressively gives the final touch of the album according to what we propose and what he writes during the writing sessions. One should not forget he is also the co-producer and follows the creation process from A to Z. He is always in the studio, overview the mixing, the mastering… (laughs). Everybody is involved but Steve keeps an eye on everything, including the production of our shows. And it was always the case… During the early days, he immediately took the control on everything, it allowed the band to keep it direction and not changing. We are still true with ourselves and we never sell our souls. We always did what we believed in and I think our fans are happy with that. It looks like we follow a script.
Adrian Smith: We don't cheat, "what you see is what you get"… Steve being always in the studio, I admit I am not always happy when it is my time to record my tracks (Dave Murray is laughing (chuckles). But those frictions are healthy. You need up and down in all things… Because I am not someone who leaves when I think I am right. Like Steve… Moreover, always agreeing would be really boring! And the band is strong enough to absorb this. Even if there are tensions, mostly in studio, we all want to do things right for the band.
DM: Oh, there were some hitches but nothing, yes nothings, was broken! (Laughs)
RH: In this new record, we sometimes think about Rush when we hear some parts…
AS: Yes, yes, it is possible.
DM: Some things (musical sequences) can pop up unconsciously but we never try to copy other bands.
RH: Don't you feel frustrated by playing only one new song in the tour that starts in 3 days?
DM: No, not really. It is just a matter of timing. We love touring during the summer and we will play some festivals in Europe after those North American dates. So, everything arrived quickly after the recording and we did not have a lot of time to learn and rehearse the new songs. It will come, next year probably…
RH: Your audience is continuously renewing and now they go and see your concert en famille. What does that inspire you?
DM: it’s purely incredible! Now, we probably reach something like 4 generations of fans and it’s not unusual to see teenagers at the front rows who know by heart all our lyrics!
AS: In the States, our audience is older, but in Europe, in Scandinavia, I can’t believe to see how young some are! They probably attend their first Iron Maiden gig, because they want to see a real show. It is also true that no one else offers what we do in terms of production, lights, performance… And there’s Eddie. It’s an audio and visual experience, a true show, and theatrical.
DM: In the 70s, I did my musical education by attending to loads of concerts. Bands had Marshall, the drummer played on a carpet… And I thought it was fantastic! But now kids want to attend something visually more punchy, to be dazzled. To get their money’s worth. And with Maiden, they’re spoilt on that point!
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ARCOFSPACE
Turkey
518 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2010 : 02:27:11
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Metal Hammer Maiden özel sayısı nete düştü.
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haan
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Glenn Tipton
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2010 : 12:43:14
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haan, bu link nedir? google translate ile oradan oraya girmeye çalışıyorum da olmuyor? eğer mp3lerse atlayalım hemen yoksa boşu boşuna kredi kartı numaramızı vermeyelim oligarklara.
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haan
90 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2010 : 12:53:06
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| az önce vardı o linkte maiden'ın albümü indirdim ve albüm fake çıktı mod arkadaşlar silebilir mesajı (günün safı olduk iyimi :D) |
Edited by - haan on 07/26/2010 12:53:59 |
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HKi
Turkey
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 16:07:35
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Maiden'ın çıkması gerekiyor artık.
Ne zaman kötü, bulanık günlerimdeysem, moralim altüstse, umutlarım tükeniyorsa tam o anda Maiden albüm yapıyor ve benim tutunmama destek oluyor. Bu kadar mı denk getirilir be kardeşim.. Belki de Bruce ile doğum günümüzün aynı gün olduğundandır. Bilemiycem ama bu aralar çıkması lazım...
Çıkış tarihi kaçı olarak geçiyordu?
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Nathan Explosion
Turkey
12695 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2010 : 17:25:12
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Originally posted by HKi
Maiden'ın çıkması gerekiyor artık.
Ne zaman kötü, bulanık günlerimdeysem, moralim altüstse, umutlarım tükeniyorsa tam o anda Maiden albüm yapıyor ve benim tutunmama destek oluyor. Bu kadar mı denk getirilir be kardeşim.. Belki de Bruce ile doğum günümüzün aynı gün olduğundandır. Bilemiycem ama bu aralar çıkması lazım...
Çıkış tarihi kaçı olarak geçiyordu?
"Seventh son of a seventh son!!!"
aynen!
16 ağustos çıkış tarihi bu arada.
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Sacca
Turkey
595 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2010 : 17:38:07
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Önce starcraft sonra bu. Öldürecekler bizi şerefsizim.
edit: Inception'ı unuttuk.
Justice will be served. |
Edited by - Sacca on 07/26/2010 18:32:35 |
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Nathan Explosion
Turkey
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Glenn Tipton
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2010 : 18:20:38
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Eğer benim dinlediğim 320 kbps/48 khz lik versiyon anasının a.ına kadar smashlenmediyse gitarlardaki cayırlık masteringin rezaletinden kaynaklanıyor. Ama dediğim gibi mp3 hatası (artık nasıl yaptılarsa) da olabilir. Ama Doğu'nun cayır cayır tanımına uyuyor bendeki versiyon. KRK referans monitörleriyle dinliyorum ve gitarlar çalarken davulları çok zor duyuyorum.
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Glenn Tipton
United Kingdom
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Glenn Tipton
United Kingdom
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Nathan Explosion
Turkey
12695 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2010 : 18:59:39
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torrent kullanmıyorum ama emin ol ki sound bu youtube linkinde olduğu gibi değil. bu ne lan:D
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Glenn Tipton
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2010 : 19:01:53
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ooh bee. rahatladım. maiden bu yapar, bilemeyiz.
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HKi
Turkey
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2010 : 19:59:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Sacca
Önce starcraft sonra bu. Öldürecekler bizi şerefsizim.
edit: Inception'ı unuttuk.
Justice will be served.
Ben de onu diyecektim hahah
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ARCOFSPACE
Turkey
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Glenn Tipton
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2010 : 12:32:39
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ananıskiii rep+++++++++++++++ ki ne rep anıl.
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Glenn Tipton
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2010 : 12:41:34
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sattelite 15 inanılmaz geliyor kulağa....
mother of mercy ilk dinleyişte taking the queen tadı verdi...
coming home sandığımdan daha pozitif bir havada...
the alchemist=janick gers for president...
isle of avalon=seventh son şarkısının ortasındaki kısım gibi...
starblind=rush
the talisman=oha yani dediklerimiz bir bir çıkıyor bu arada. adama the legacy'i tekrar yazdırmış görgüsüz kıro. ama yine de janick gers for world domination.
sean conneryli şarkı: dave murray ve arpejleri
nükleer serpinti şarkısı: eee...steve harris
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Sacca
Turkey
595 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2010 : 13:04:21
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Nedense dinleyemiyorum sampleları , internetimde sorun var sanırım. Nathan'ın yorumlarını bekliyorum dört gözle :)
Justice will be served. |
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ARCOFSPACE
Turkey
518 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2010 : 13:51:06
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| 6. şarkı olan Isle of Avalon'dan itibaren albüm tamamen kopup gidiyor gibi. Isle of Avalon'un 15 saniyesini dinlerken bile ereksiyon oldum. Ofis ortamlarında dinlenmesin. |
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Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier (2010)
